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	<description>You haven&#039;t budgeted like this.</description>
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		<title>By: JL Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.youneedabudget.com/blog/2009/milk-delivery-and-your-grocery-bill/#comment-967</link>
		<dc:creator>JL Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 19:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jesse for putting the spotlight on the cost of frequent trips to the store.

A few years ago we shifted from me as the primary shopper to sending my spouse (the less impulsive buyer) to the store each week. The monthly total came down by about 25%. And the quality of our dining did not change.

Regarding milk, we order delicious fresh-frozen, raw, grass-fed, sustainable organic milk products direct from Organic Pastures farm over 300 miles away from our suburban neighborhood for about half of what is charged at the store. (But, some of that savings must be used to pay the shipping by UPS.)

The nutrition has to be better when the cows are milked out in the field on a mobile semi-truck milking parlor where the milk is immediately deep chilled. After milking it is tested, bottled, frozen &amp; shipped to my home with far less delay and handling. On top of all of those benefits, I am less hungry for foods that are lower in nutrition density, saving money by not eating as many snacks. How can I go wrong?

By the way, I looked into some reviews for the book you mentioned and found the review by Eric A. Woods to be very insightful and even fun to read (on Amazon). In fact, I saved money by reading the review and satisfying my interest in the topic without having to buy the book! (Could be there is a money saving tip to be found in learning from online reviews before choosing to spend on items?)

In any case, this tip has really got me thinking about how we go about our shopping. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jesse for putting the spotlight on the cost of frequent trips to the store.</p>
<p>A few years ago we shifted from me as the primary shopper to sending my spouse (the less impulsive buyer) to the store each week. The monthly total came down by about 25%. And the quality of our dining did not change.</p>
<p>Regarding milk, we order delicious fresh-frozen, raw, grass-fed, sustainable organic milk products direct from Organic Pastures farm over 300 miles away from our suburban neighborhood for about half of what is charged at the store. (But, some of that savings must be used to pay the shipping by UPS.)</p>
<p>The nutrition has to be better when the cows are milked out in the field on a mobile semi-truck milking parlor where the milk is immediately deep chilled. After milking it is tested, bottled, frozen &#038; shipped to my home with far less delay and handling. On top of all of those benefits, I am less hungry for foods that are lower in nutrition density, saving money by not eating as many snacks. How can I go wrong?</p>
<p>By the way, I looked into some reviews for the book you mentioned and found the review by Eric A. Woods to be very insightful and even fun to read (on Amazon). In fact, I saved money by reading the review and satisfying my interest in the topic without having to buy the book! (Could be there is a money saving tip to be found in learning from online reviews before choosing to spend on items?)</p>
<p>In any case, this tip has really got me thinking about how we go about our shopping. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon L</title>
		<link>http://www.youneedabudget.com/blog/2009/milk-delivery-and-your-grocery-bill/#comment-966</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Super Tip.  Glad someone else sees the bene&#039;s in delivered milk.  We have been saving money due to fewer trips for over 10 years!  Whaaaa Hooo Mooo.  Ours also delivers Soy products for the Vegan in the family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Super Tip.  Glad someone else sees the bene&#8217;s in delivered milk.  We have been saving money due to fewer trips for over 10 years!  Whaaaa Hooo Mooo.  Ours also delivers Soy products for the Vegan in the family.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.youneedabudget.com/blog/2009/milk-delivery-and-your-grocery-bill/#comment-965</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True story.

My wife and I have bought mostly organic for years, and went to raw milk and pastured eggs after reading that same book. We&#039;ve done this for years now. Our food budget always seemed a bit high to me. I am the son of a Depression era mother who always ate the remains we left on our plates. But when the price of gas went up in the waning days of the Bush administration, and the price of food jumped accordingly, I decided to take a closer look at what we were buying. It must be the organic food, I thought. It is so much more expensive than industrial food. But just to make sure, I did a survey of all my family and friends across the country, focusing on the statistical Family-of-Four. The single survey question was:

&quot;How much, on average, do you spend on groceries in one month?&quot;

It took months to do this survey because many people weren&#039;t keeping track (I will pass you their contact info for YNAB bulk mailing campaigns). None of the people I contacted bought organic food. Many of them went to Costco for groceries. I expected to hear that they spent a few hundred dollars a month less than us, which I would then take to my wife and say, &quot;Aha!&quot;

It didn&#039;t happen that way. When the results all came in, I discovered that only one other family out of the twenty I contacted spent less per month than we did.

How could that be? Further research showed that the difference wasn&#039;t organic versus industrial food. It was ready-to-eat, processed (expensive) food versus prepared-at-home, raw (cheap) food. We are apparently one of a dying breed, people who still prepared the majority of the food they eat in their own kitchen from scratch. In fact, the one family who spent less than us was the only other family who made their own food to the extent we did, but they did NOT buy organic. They were also serious coupon clippers and they share meals with other families on their block.

So, the lesson for me was, I could save money if I didn&#039;t buy organic. But I&#039;m not about to do so. Local, organic, seasonal food is healthier, &quot;greener&quot;, and just tastes a whole lot better. To me that is worth spending money on. Not everyone has the time and money to switch to organic, though most could take steps in that direction without impacting their budget - start a garden, join a CSA, make your own meals, don&#039;t eat so much high fructose corn syrup, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True story.</p>
<p>My wife and I have bought mostly organic for years, and went to raw milk and pastured eggs after reading that same book. We&#8217;ve done this for years now. Our food budget always seemed a bit high to me. I am the son of a Depression era mother who always ate the remains we left on our plates. But when the price of gas went up in the waning days of the Bush administration, and the price of food jumped accordingly, I decided to take a closer look at what we were buying. It must be the organic food, I thought. It is so much more expensive than industrial food. But just to make sure, I did a survey of all my family and friends across the country, focusing on the statistical Family-of-Four. The single survey question was:</p>
<p>&#8220;How much, on average, do you spend on groceries in one month?&#8221;</p>
<p>It took months to do this survey because many people weren&#8217;t keeping track (I will pass you their contact info for YNAB bulk mailing campaigns). None of the people I contacted bought organic food. Many of them went to Costco for groceries. I expected to hear that they spent a few hundred dollars a month less than us, which I would then take to my wife and say, &#8220;Aha!&#8221;</p>
<p>It didn&#8217;t happen that way. When the results all came in, I discovered that only one other family out of the twenty I contacted spent less per month than we did.</p>
<p>How could that be? Further research showed that the difference wasn&#8217;t organic versus industrial food. It was ready-to-eat, processed (expensive) food versus prepared-at-home, raw (cheap) food. We are apparently one of a dying breed, people who still prepared the majority of the food they eat in their own kitchen from scratch. In fact, the one family who spent less than us was the only other family who made their own food to the extent we did, but they did NOT buy organic. They were also serious coupon clippers and they share meals with other families on their block.</p>
<p>So, the lesson for me was, I could save money if I didn&#8217;t buy organic. But I&#8217;m not about to do so. Local, organic, seasonal food is healthier, &#8220;greener&#8221;, and just tastes a whole lot better. To me that is worth spending money on. Not everyone has the time and money to switch to organic, though most could take steps in that direction without impacting their budget &#8211; start a garden, join a CSA, make your own meals, don&#8217;t eat so much high fructose corn syrup, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: James Mills</title>
		<link>http://www.youneedabudget.com/blog/2009/milk-delivery-and-your-grocery-bill/#comment-964</link>
		<dc:creator>James Mills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My family and I have had Winder Farms for just over three years and the grocery bill was one of the first things that I noticed (besides how amazing the milk tastes in glass bottles).  That is so cool that you guys discovered it too because I always wondered if it was just me or not.  We do the Milk, Eggs, and Bread thing and still save 100s of dollars each month and we eat great too.  I love your tips and especially your software too.  I always tell people about it when I can.  Thanks for everything.

James Mills</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My family and I have had Winder Farms for just over three years and the grocery bill was one of the first things that I noticed (besides how amazing the milk tastes in glass bottles).  That is so cool that you guys discovered it too because I always wondered if it was just me or not.  We do the Milk, Eggs, and Bread thing and still save 100s of dollars each month and we eat great too.  I love your tips and especially your software too.  I always tell people about it when I can.  Thanks for everything.</p>
<p>James Mills</p>
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		<title>By: texan</title>
		<link>http://www.youneedabudget.com/blog/2009/milk-delivery-and-your-grocery-bill/#comment-963</link>
		<dc:creator>texan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This explains why, at least in our area, they have been building huge grocery stores seemingly around every corner. I didn&#039;t understand how they could sustain this but now it makes sense. The more conveniently located the store is, the more likely you will drop in (for milk, etc.) and then inevitably overspend. I&#039;m sure this more than pays for the overhead of the additional buildings, etc. No doubt they have all the research data to support this but it would sort of defeat the purpose to share it with us. ;)

We order our produce through an organic delivery service, www.greenling.com. This keeps us out of the store and we can more thoughtfully prepare a list of the produce we need each week. And it&#039;s clean, healthier, higher nutrition produce which cuts down on health costs long term. I&#039;m vegetarian so this covers the bulk of our food needs. We save on gas with not having to make trips to the store. For the items we do need from the store, we can buy in large quantities as Jesse suggests...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This explains why, at least in our area, they have been building huge grocery stores seemingly around every corner. I didn&#8217;t understand how they could sustain this but now it makes sense. The more conveniently located the store is, the more likely you will drop in (for milk, etc.) and then inevitably overspend. I&#8217;m sure this more than pays for the overhead of the additional buildings, etc. No doubt they have all the research data to support this but it would sort of defeat the purpose to share it with us. ;)</p>
<p>We order our produce through an organic delivery service, <a href="http://www.greenling.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.greenling.com</a>. This keeps us out of the store and we can more thoughtfully prepare a list of the produce we need each week. And it&#8217;s clean, healthier, higher nutrition produce which cuts down on health costs long term. I&#8217;m vegetarian so this covers the bulk of our food needs. We save on gas with not having to make trips to the store. For the items we do need from the store, we can buy in large quantities as Jesse suggests&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Stewart</title>
		<link>http://www.youneedabudget.com/blog/2009/milk-delivery-and-your-grocery-bill/#comment-962</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has any one tried the dryer balls?  I was skeptical but I got them on sale for like $5.  They really work.  There are no static issues.  They last forever.  They don&#039;t produce any scent though .  All detergents have their own scents so there is always a conflict or overuse with the scents from the detergents and softener. So it makes sense to use one scent.

I do all my shopping at &quot;wally-world&quot;, Walmart and chose their generics at every opportunity.

Since my wife followed the low Cholesterol restricting diet list regular milk was not allowed.  She did not like the taste of skimmed milk (too water down).  She has been using creamer since then.  We don’t drink milk (that’s for un-weaned babies – we are the only mammals who continue to drink milk after being weaned) except for with cereal.  I have gotten used to the taste now.  It does not have to be frozen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has any one tried the dryer balls?  I was skeptical but I got them on sale for like $5.  They really work.  There are no static issues.  They last forever.  They don&#8217;t produce any scent though .  All detergents have their own scents so there is always a conflict or overuse with the scents from the detergents and softener. So it makes sense to use one scent.</p>
<p>I do all my shopping at &#8220;wally-world&#8221;, Walmart and chose their generics at every opportunity.</p>
<p>Since my wife followed the low Cholesterol restricting diet list regular milk was not allowed.  She did not like the taste of skimmed milk (too water down).  She has been using creamer since then.  We don’t drink milk (that’s for un-weaned babies – we are the only mammals who continue to drink milk after being weaned) except for with cereal.  I have gotten used to the taste now.  It does not have to be frozen.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://www.youneedabudget.com/blog/2009/milk-delivery-and-your-grocery-bill/#comment-961</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve actually found the opposite to be true with my experience.  I really hate going to the grocery store.  I was the queen at extending the time between trips to the max by freezing meats, cheeses and bread and only picking up milk occassionally from the Walgreens on my corner (I live in a city so it&#039;s not as easy to make a quick stop to the full store).  Then when I did go I would make my big list of food I needed to tide me over til the next time.  Since I hadn&#039;t gone in a while I needed to restock a lot of what was in my pantry (i.e. cereals, pastas, etc) regardless of if it was on sale or not.

I found that I was spending a lot of money on those big trips and after blowing through my produce in the first week and a half (I&#039;m single so had to make sure to eat it before it went bad), I didn&#039;t have as many good food options at home.  So not only was I not eating as well as I would have liked, I was spending a lot of money.

Now I suck it up and go to the store about every two weeks.  This enables me to eat more fresh products because I go more often.  And even better it lets me only buy what I need when it is on sale.  When my cereal goes on sale I stock up with several boxes.  That way if it&#039;s not on sale the next time I go I don&#039;t have to buy it because it&#039;s my one trip for 4-5 weeks.  So even though I&#039;ve doubled the number of times I go to the store, I&#039;m more focused on only buying what I need and have the flexibility to get the staples when they are on sale.  By doing this I&#039;ve brought my monthly grocery bill down by at least a couple hundred dollars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve actually found the opposite to be true with my experience.  I really hate going to the grocery store.  I was the queen at extending the time between trips to the max by freezing meats, cheeses and bread and only picking up milk occassionally from the Walgreens on my corner (I live in a city so it&#8217;s not as easy to make a quick stop to the full store).  Then when I did go I would make my big list of food I needed to tide me over til the next time.  Since I hadn&#8217;t gone in a while I needed to restock a lot of what was in my pantry (i.e. cereals, pastas, etc) regardless of if it was on sale or not.</p>
<p>I found that I was spending a lot of money on those big trips and after blowing through my produce in the first week and a half (I&#8217;m single so had to make sure to eat it before it went bad), I didn&#8217;t have as many good food options at home.  So not only was I not eating as well as I would have liked, I was spending a lot of money.</p>
<p>Now I suck it up and go to the store about every two weeks.  This enables me to eat more fresh products because I go more often.  And even better it lets me only buy what I need when it is on sale.  When my cereal goes on sale I stock up with several boxes.  That way if it&#8217;s not on sale the next time I go I don&#8217;t have to buy it because it&#8217;s my one trip for 4-5 weeks.  So even though I&#8217;ve doubled the number of times I go to the store, I&#8217;m more focused on only buying what I need and have the flexibility to get the staples when they are on sale.  By doing this I&#8217;ve brought my monthly grocery bill down by at least a couple hundred dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 02:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Business opportunity in most states for milk delivery?  In Michigan there are a lot of unemployed people who may be interested in such a venture :)  What a great idea!  I may have my retired husband consider it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Business opportunity in most states for milk delivery?  In Michigan there are a lot of unemployed people who may be interested in such a venture :)  What a great idea!  I may have my retired husband consider it!</p>
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		<title>By: Audrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Audrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are websites that make meal plans based on what&#039;s on sale at the stores that week.  They can save you a lot of money.  I found one for people who live in the west called &quot;Deals to Meals&quot; http://www.dealstomeals.com/index.cfm. I live in the southeast and use E-mealz http://www.e-mealz.com/.  You can use the code DAVE and get a discount.  This will give you dinner meals for seven days for six people for the average cost of about $80 a week!  They also have meal plans here for two or for low carb, low fat, and Weight Watchers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are websites that make meal plans based on what&#8217;s on sale at the stores that week.  They can save you a lot of money.  I found one for people who live in the west called &#8220;Deals to Meals&#8221; <a href="http://www.dealstomeals.com/index.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.dealstomeals.com/index.cfm</a>. I live in the southeast and use E-mealz <a href="http://www.e-mealz.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.e-mealz.com/</a>.  You can use the code DAVE and get a discount.  This will give you dinner meals for seven days for six people for the average cost of about $80 a week!  They also have meal plans here for two or for low carb, low fat, and Weight Watchers.</p>
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		<title>By: Bridget</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bridget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I buy organic milk because I think it&#039;s important, and it does cost a lot more than non-organic.  However, for some reason the expiration dates on the cartons of organic milk extend to a month or more, and the &quot;regular&quot; milk expires in a week or so.  I never need to make extra trips to the grocery store for milk anymore now that I am buying organic.  I just checked my refrigerator, and right now I have three cartons dated, October 28, November 4, and November 4 (Today&#039;s date--September 29.)

I agree not making the extra trips does save money.  Now if I didn&#039;t have to go back every week for deli lunch meat to pack for my kids&#039; lunches!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I buy organic milk because I think it&#8217;s important, and it does cost a lot more than non-organic.  However, for some reason the expiration dates on the cartons of organic milk extend to a month or more, and the &#8220;regular&#8221; milk expires in a week or so.  I never need to make extra trips to the grocery store for milk anymore now that I am buying organic.  I just checked my refrigerator, and right now I have three cartons dated, October 28, November 4, and November 4 (Today&#8217;s date&#8211;September 29.)</p>
<p>I agree not making the extra trips does save money.  Now if I didn&#8217;t have to go back every week for deli lunch meat to pack for my kids&#8217; lunches!</p>
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