Storing food for emergencies

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Re: Storing food for emergencies

Postby Rain » Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:05 am

TLBauer wrote:Anyone have any good ideas on storing food for emergencies: what kind of foods should you store;


Store what you eat and eat what you store. In other words, if you need to eat your stored foods for whatever emergency comes up, you don't want to try to figure out how to prepare foods you've never cooked, nor try to feed your family foods they have rarely eaten. Hence, store what you eat. Eat what you store means to eat out of your storage/pantry regularly, so as to rotate foods .... and you won't eat out of it regularly if you store foods that you don't normally eat.

A food calculator can give you a general idea, but really only you can determine what exactly you need. I have no idea if you love lentils, are gluten-intolerant, or don't eat pork for religious reasons. For my family, for example, we detest lentils (so none of those), both dh and dd are gluten-intolerant so no pasta nor wheat, but we do use sorghum, rice, amaranth, and millet regularly. I grind these all at home for both optimal nutrition and longer storage -- it's a whole lot cheaper to buy 25 or 50 lbs of whole sorghum from the co-op than it is to buy them a lb at a time from the grocery (if they even have it), and the flours go rancid pretty fast.

how much should you store (per person)


depends on how long you want to store for. If you want a week's pantry so that you don't have to go the grocery every day, that'll be different than if you want a year or two to prepare for possible job loss/ hospitalization of a family member/ economic or government collapse/ Second Coming.

Biggest thing is for balance. It's better to have a week's or a month's worth of everything you need to eat your normal meals, than have a year's worth of beans and honey and nothing else.

where should it be stored (it gets really hot here in the summer, so the garage would be out).


In your home. Having a large pantry or basement is ideal, but you can put canned goods under the bed/couch, wherever you can find room. I don't have as much food stored as I'd like because we don't have the space in this house, and as you said it's too hot here for the garage (Arizona desert)

I looked at the foodinsurance.com website this afternoon. They deal a lot in freeze-dried foods. But, they seem to be on the expensive side. Any ideas?
Nope. I personally don't have freeze dried food at this time. I am starting to buy bits of dried food here and there, both for food-storage purposes and for daily use -- running out of peas for the dish when the store is 35 miles away stinks.

Here is a site I really like -- http://www.foodstoragemadeeasy.net

It's not alarmist, and it's practical. There are many reasons to have a food storage. Sometimes all people think about is a government collapse or nuclear war and then say they wouldn't want to live through that .... but that's easy to say when you're on this side of things. There are also other reasons a food storage program would be beneficial -- you lose your job and don't want to rely on the government or your family for help feeding yourself and kids; natural disaster (Katrina, tornadoes, floods, ice storms, whatever) knocks the food supply chain out for a little while; you want to save money by buying in bulk and when things are on sale; maybe there will be a war/drought/whatever and the government starts rationing butter, sugar, and meat the way they did in WWII. The last hasn't happened in my lifetime (yet) but it did during my mom's.

I'll tell you a little story --

In late May, I had a baby. When the baby was a week old, my oldest son and daughter in law came over to see their new sister, and to announce that they were pregnant, too. At that point we re-iterated to them the importance of having some money saved and some food put aside, because you never know what could happen. They both had good jobs, and they had a roommate who was helping them pay the mortgage. Things looked rather rosy to them and like most early 20s kids didn't see that anything could possibly go wrong.

The next week their roommate lost his job and moved back home with his parents. Their part of the mortgage was now the full mortgage. Not a huge deal in and of itself, they could roll with that punch. Two weeks after that my daughter in law had been so sick with her pregnancy that she'd now missed 3 weeks of work. Now things were getting tight. Then, a week later, my son got laid off with 2 days notice.

My daughter in law was at the ER 6 times before they finally hospitalized her and set up home health and gave her a zofran pump. By that time she'd lost over 30 lbs in 8 weeks. My son immediately applied for unemployment, but that barely pays their mortgage and fuel, and doesn't cover utilities and insurance, let alone food. She isn't eligible for unemployment because she is unable to work at this time. They could do food stamps (relying on the government to feed them) and would get about $50, *maybe* $100/month. Daughter in law moved in with her mom for the time being, my son is staying at the house alone eating a lot of ramen noodles. I can tell you without a doubt that he wishes they'd had a month's worth or more of food stored. It would be one less thing to worry about right now.
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Re: Storing food for emergencies

Postby litterbug » Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:17 pm

There are some great ideas here. I'd like to store some basics at least, but I keep spacing it out, so aside from a cash stash, 10 gallons of water, a propane stove and canisters, sleeping bags and tent (which gets warmer when occupied in your living room than your house will), and a couple weeks worth of pantry goods, I'm not set up very well. I'd prefer to have 30 days worth of dry and canned goods in storage. Because there's one of me, I wouldn't use the 5 gallon buckets that periodically go on sale in our grocery stores. If I couldn't find well-packed dry goods I'd use aFoodsaver to get as much air as possible out of 5 pound bags, recognizing that I'd have to rotate anything that's likely to go rancid.

First of all, I haven't heard anyone mention medical needs. A decent first aid kit is critical (at least I have one of those). I also keep one month's 'back stock' of medications, without which I'd be in serious trouble, and I just keep them in my rotation. Pharmacies can usually fill an extra month of prescriptions if you're paying cash for them, but check that out with your doctor.

Several kinds of beans, rice (white), dried corn, half a case of canned tomatoes, salt, dried onion, garlic, carrots, etc., and one or two of those giant Costco containers of chili powder will store for a long time, provide decent nutrition, and would get me far. Jesse's idea of buying freeze-dried protein is great, so I'll add that to my list. Vitamins are a nice idea but for most of us they're not critical. Salt is an essential element, so you can't go without that, even if you're on a low-sodium diet. Strange though it may sound, I'd also like to check out MREs, which are much improved over the 1960s vintage ones we carried while firefighting in the 80s, and I'd be unlikely to raid a supply of MREs than the canned tomatoes. :wink: Be careful of whole grains which go rancid after a fairly short time (I've lost an awful lot of oatmeal this way).

If you have a deep freeze, it often makes sense to freeze any stored dry goods in sealed, preferably vacuum packed containers in the bottom. Another neat thing I've heard of is using dry ice for dried goods in air-tight buckets. The CO2 from the evaporated dry ice prevents oxidation and bugs. Any goods packed in non-oxidizing gases work the same. There's a method for the dry ice, so check it out if it intrigues you.
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Re: Storing food for emergencies

Postby JShortstreet » Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:08 pm

I just have to say here that keeping what you like to eat for an emergency store doesn't make sense unless you don't like to eat anything fresh and perishable or you grow all your own such food. Obviously what you should store is what can keep for long periods and that you won't mind eating -- never mind if it's what you would eat in non-emergency times. Anything dried, frozen, or canned, in other words.
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Re: Storing food for emergencies

Postby Encourager » Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:48 pm

@ litterbug: Oatmeal is NOT a whole grain. :shock: Oat groats are the whole grain. You need to store oatmeal in a sealed, airtight bag. The finer the cut of the oats (such as quick oats), the shorter the storage time. My question to you is: Do you prepare oatmeal to eat with water and eat it plain? What are you going to put on your oatmeal? You need to think through the meal plan and stock accordingly. If you prepare oatmeal with milk, you can dilute canned milk; if you add brown sugar or nuts, you have to have these on hand. Don't just store main items...store what is in the recipe. For more balance, stir in applesauce or other canned fruit. I get concerned when I hear people stocking up on just the basics. Pretty dull eating. :? If you need your stored food, you will be in a crisis situation and will need more vitamins/minerals and fats/protein. Buy those vitamin/minerals! 8)
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Re: Storing food for emergencies

Postby Encourager » Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:05 pm

One thing I forgot to add: After you purchase any whole grain, put it in the freezer for about a week (this kills any insects and hopefully their eggs :shock: ). Bring to room temperature. After you divide it up and put it into either Food Saver bags and suck the air out or use Mylar bags with Oxygen absorbers then seal with an iron, you can then store in 5 gallon pails. It is important to store in something mice cannot easily chew through. I lost over 15 # of oatmeal because I stupidly stored it in a cardboard box :oops: . The mice loved it...there were so many holes in those bags it looked like a watering can when I picked it up. They ate right through that thick plastic bag! Don't just store and forget it; FIFO - first in, first out. In other words, rotate your stock! If you don't do this, at least check it monthly to make sure critters aren't helping themselves. The money I saved by buying the oatmeal from my food co-op was lost.
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Re: Storing food for emergencies

Postby litterbug » Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:34 pm

Oh, I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I eat much oatmeal or would keep it in food storage. Regardless of what it is, I eat it only rarely--either when camping in cold weather or before skiing in the winter. The only kinds of oat products I like are Scottish oatmeal) and steel-cut oats, which are rarely available in bulk, so I end up buying packages with too much for me to consume during my few periods of oatmeal-eating per year, and I don't like baking with it. So it ends up smelling bad before I get to it. I have a very sensitive sniffer, so I don't know if other people experience the same thing.

All of this reminds me I'd need oil in long term storage. I'd have to look up how long an unopened bottle of oil would last. It'd have to be processed, I guess, because my impression is that raw or 'virgin' oils get rancid pretty quickly. Peanut butter would be good, too; I don't like nuts very often, but I can eat peanut butter from a spoon and be perfectly happy, so I would happily rotate it out of food storage pretty quickly.

I agree that variety would be nice, but just like my budget, my food storage can't be elaborate; it needs to be stuff I can both maintain and use, and plainer is better for me. I mean, I thought I was being extravagant with canned tomatoes! :mrgreen: The other issue is that most food storage I've thought of (except MREs and freeze-dried meals) requires cooking, and fuel would be even more unavailable than food in the kind of crisis we're talking about. Some kind of canned fruit might be nice, though, and I'm definitely a fruit-crisp person so it'd get used if I had to rotate it out. And I'm not saying I wouldn't keep vitamins--I always have them in the house anyway--but again, if I'm going for more than a month, such as in a doomsday scenario, I'll be out of medication and will have much more serious problems than low blood calcium. OTOH, a big bottle of Vitamin C sounds necessary once I've gone through my fruit.

I just hope my new apartment has a closet big enough to dedicate a corner to food storage. Space is pretty tight with apartment living!
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Re: Storing food for emergencies

Postby litterbug » Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:36 pm

Encourager wrote:After you divide it up and put it into either Food Saver bags and suck the air out or use Mylar bags with Oxygen absorbers then seal with an iron, you can then store in 5 gallon pails.


Oxygen absorbers, that's what I was forgetting! I should look into those Mylar bags, too. I'm learning a lot here.
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Re: Storing food for emergencies

Postby Encourager » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:06 pm

Litterbug, you can 'invent' storage in an apartment! Buy those under-the-bed plastic storage bins on wheels. Lots of cans can fit in there on their sides. Or raise up your bed with those thick kinda triangle-shaped things - you can then get larger plastic boxes under the bed. (Can't remember the name of them, they sell them at Bed, Bath & Beyond and those type of stores, even Menard's have them). Put food in a five gallon pail, put a round of plywood or plastic on top, cover with a nice tablecloth.Use as an end table. Put up narrow shelves all along the back of your closet - one can deep. Think of all you can store there! :shock:
You do need oil. You can freeze olive oil. Remove it from the bottle, unless the bottle is plastic. Pour out some so there is room for the oil to expand. But in an apartment it would be hard if all you have is that small freezer in your frig. You can buy or make ghee. Then can it in 1/2 pints or pints. Stores for a very long time!
And please don't forget about storing water. You can last a lot longer on water then just on food.
Hope this helps you!
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Re: Storing food for emergencies

Postby Thasic » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:38 am

There are anumber of companies that sell freeze dried and/or dehydrated food. I have eaten several types and they are very good and the bonus is they last 20 to 30 years on your shelf. You can stock several months of this stuff in a back closet and forget about it, ready for any emergency. Here are some websites that sell this type of food:

http://www.thereadystore.com/
http://www.nitro-pak.com/
http://beprepared.com/

The foods come as readily prepared meals, just add hot water or as meal ingredients that need rehydrating and prepared as normal. This is the perfect long term food storage solution in my book.
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Re: Storing food for emergencies

Postby litterbug » Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:31 am

This kind of thing could be ideal for a short-term stash designed to last for a few weeks. I'd approach it like YNAB: get something quickly to deal with minor emergencies, then build up a longer term supply of more conventional food storage with a variety of the kind of thing I could feed on for a few months. Freeze dried food would also store more variety of food in a smaller space than traditional food storage. I'd have to buy some samples first to see how palatable they really are.
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Re: Storing food for emergencies

Postby maryea » Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:57 am

Because of the way I shop I always have a stockpile. I figure if there is even a little time, I can pretty easily grab stuff from the pantry. I keep a manual can opener handy too. I probably should buy some powdered milk. I don't have wheat but am not sure it would be used anyway. I'd probably depend on the wheat germ, bran cereal, whole grain cereals and other things I already have on hand. Nothing is going to last forever but I think we'd be ok for a while. I probably should have a more water. Only have 2 gallons right now plus what's in the hot water tank and toilet tanks. If time one could fill the tub. How to cook, heat things...need to work on that one, or we can just eat it cold/room temp. It would have to be a limited emergency anyway cause the food and water would run out eventually....might throw in some dehydrated packages just in case.

I keep an emergency kit of batteries, flashlights, candles, a battery operated radio etc. on hand in our master bedroom. Maybe should get some plastic for the windows? I consider the master bedroom and adjacent bathroom our safe room. I'm sure I've forgotten some things but I'm continuing to work at it.
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Re: Storing food for emergencies

Postby m2011 » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:34 pm

Interesting thread. I used to think that preparing for disaster wasn't worth it either but then I moved to an area where there is a moderate risk from cyclones. Every year for years I talked about being ready and never did anything ): Then nearly a year ago it happend - not cyclone - but flooding (not our home). The supermarkets were empty of many essentials and it was hard to get around. Petrol was scarce etc etc. I was kicking myself...but we did ok because I had a reasonable amount of food anyway. We took to boiling and filtering water.

So, since then I put in more effort though I have to admit I haven't done everything. We have a gas stove ready and I try to keep more dahl, rice, flour, powdered milk etc. It's not really 'stocked' though. I could still do a lot more.
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Re: Storing food for emergencies

Postby Thasic » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:21 pm

Litterbug, there are several brands of these freeze dried/dehydrated foods. Most come packaged in what they call #10 cans, which are like large coffee cans. Those you would not want to open because it would have to be used within a year or so and it's quite a bit of food. The Mountain House company sells thier freeze dried foods both in #10 cans and smaller 1 and 2 meal pouches. The pouches are geared towards campers and hikers and have a shelf life of 5 to 7 years. These are the ones I tried prior to buying an quantity of the cans. You can buy them online or at any decent outdoor store like Dicks Sporting Goods or the like. The pouches have a more limited variety but there are enough different meals to get an idea of how good they are. The otehr companys may also sell smaller quantities, I'm not sure.
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Re: Storing food for emergencies

Postby Encourager » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:06 am

My problem with the freeze dried/dehydrated foods is the LARGE container (#10 can) they come in. I did buy some dried milk; once it is opened, will have to repackage it. That is what I want to avoid - more work and too little time, not to mention the expense of repackaging. Does anyone know if someone carries smaller containers such as a 15 oz size can (like canned veggies come in from the store)?? I don't mean I am looking for 15 oz WEIGHT, but the SIZE of the can from a grocery shelf. Hope this is clear? :?:
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Re: Storing food for emergencies

Postby litterbug » Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:08 pm

Thasic and Encourager, I get that completely. I always have to consider it when buying anything, to say nothing of food storage. Some freeze-dried options include smaller portions packed for long-term storage; they're more expensive but completely worth it to avoid waste (or having to eat nothing but stew for several weeks). The same goes for any food storage, though. Eating alone means more money and fussing with things.

This is why the variety argument isn't so compelling; any way I do it, I'm going to end up eating something for a week or two, then something else for the same amount of time, but I think freeze dried food might give me more options. Not that I've shopped seriously for anything yet.
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